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Karen
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posted June 28, 2004 05:29 PM      Profile for Karen         
I was just reading "Are JRT's difficult to train" and did not know that they were. I thought it was me. I am in tears because Lucy (1yr) just nipped at a 2 year old boy in our home. Both Sam(1 1/2yrs) still are not fully house broken..still chew up things... and bark at anything at all. Sam jumps continously at the TV so animal planet or any violent movies are impossible to watch. They have gone to training and are great with tricks...but out of control when they want to be. I thought I was a bad mother.
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posted June 28, 2004 10:38 PM      Profile for MarioLuigi   Author's Homepage         
You need to see a behaviorist at this point.

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posted June 29, 2004 06:44 AM      Profile for goombaya         
they are more stubborn but not untrainable.

first, your not a bad mother as your here and you appear to care, but you cant at this point write off this behavior as being in the breed. If you do that you'll live with it forever.

please describe how you've handled potty training to date? this is the easiest to correct.

also aside from the potty training, you'll have to get them more socialized. They cannot nip at people, get them out-expose them to people, if even on a muzzle. They are high energy dogs, so make sure you can accomodate their physical needs through excersise.

hope this helps... are there any JRT people within your area that might be able to help you?

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posted June 29, 2004 01:31 PM      Profile for Ken Nielsen         
Goombaya is right. Too often I see people living with dogs that are out of control, yet the people will not lift a finger to go into professional training class. A six-week class will run about a hundred bucks and give you back priceless years of well behaved fun. Yet people are unwilling to do just this minimum training. Get to it now. The sooner the better.
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posted June 29, 2004 01:38 PM      Profile for Karen         
Thanks guys... First Mario/luigi is the behaviorist for me or them lol
Goobaya.......I have been under the skilled instructions of ellierat with potty training and nothing works. They are gated in a 4x4 mud room at night with a pee pad. ( they don't hold it at night even when let out frequently) they go on the pad if I move the pad they go on the spot where the pad was. I never see them go in the house so I can't stop them in the act.
As far as nipping it was the only time and they are very social with many people in the house and out doors. We go to a fenced in baseball field and meet other dogs for free runs off leach they love it. Never had a problem.
I have never had a problem training dogs before..I have to be doing something wrong.

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posted June 29, 2004 01:40 PM      Profile for Karen         
Hi Ken
I had them in clicker training and Sam even won as best in the class. We are very consistant maybe too easy on them. We don't hit them but we do hold them down for a few minutes in a submissive position.

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posted June 29, 2004 06:35 PM      Profile for Karen         
Any ideas as to how to find a good trainer or behaviorist?
Should both of them go at the same time?

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posted June 29, 2004 07:38 PM      Profile for Elite         
Maybe you could get personal classes? My dog trainer will do things by request, like if you're dog doesn't like 2 year olds or cats, she'll work on it. So just find a class that takes requests [Smile]
How old are your dogs? My puppy also has a thing for nipping 2 year olds, but one of the ones from across the street ran over the other day and was like "molly didn't bite me!" which was great news. She just things little kids are other puppies. I'm glad none of them are afraid of her. But with Molly its passing. I thought that was just a puppy thing...I don't really think hyper puppies should be around kids at all.

And don't blame yourself...JRTs are difficult, and that just means you have to work a little harder than a person who owns, say, a lab. Well, a lot harder, lol.

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posted June 30, 2004 10:49 AM      Profile for goombaya         
Karen im sure ellierat has given you good info on pottie training.

Im confused about one thing though. You mention that you use wee wee pads. And that they are let out to go frequently.

Im going to ramble a bit so bear with me.

It is my understanding and to a degree my experience that wee wee pads are to train the dog to go in the spot that you want them to go in. Heres the problem with that, MOST people want their dog to go outside, most people that buy wee wee pads think they are going to use them as an intermediary step in potty training until the dog learns where to go. Having said that, IMO they are counterproductive in that application. If you want your dog to go OUTSIDE than only let them go outside. Wee Wee pads train thme to go inside. They think they're supposed to go inside. So its infintiely more difficult to potty train a dog using both wee wee pads and going outdoors. The dogs get confused or have to be trained twice, and re-trained. With that, some people dont have outdoors and want their dogs to go on wee wee pads but thats different. It doesnt involve retraining.

So, if you are trying to get your dog to go outside. You might look into eliminating the wee wee pad thing, scrub the heck out of that room with an enzymatic cleaner and only allow them to go outside, and praise them when they do. AND im sure you have considered and for whatever reason discarded crate training them, but its what I would do if I didnt want them to go to the bathroom in my house overnight. Barring a medical issue, any adult dog should be able to hold its bladder overnight.

WIth all of that. If your attempting to train them to go on wee wee pads forever forget everything i just said.

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posted June 30, 2004 02:09 PM      Profile for Karen         
Hi Elite and Goombaya..
The personal classes sounds like the way to go I wonder where to get a good trainer and not a quack.
As far as the p/p pads.. They are actully non scented cotton pads for beds or furniture for people who are incontinent and washable. If that makes any difference. I know that you are SOOO RIGHT about the indoor/outdoor concept. That is my problem. They pee outside when I am home and the pads are removed but at night or when I am not home they will not hold it and go on the pad or floor where the pad was. I keep the pad there because I don't want them to pee on the floor. I know I did them an injustice with this training technique but I can't seem to fix it. As far as crate training I figured that was not an option because Lucy pees in her bed.
Isn't that against the crate theory?
Thanks for your help.

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posted June 30, 2004 02:35 PM      Profile for goombaya         
Hi Karen,

I would try the crate training. I cant say it will work, but heres how i would do it.

Make sure the crate is just big enough, but be careful about it not being too big. Ideally, you want it so that if she does have an accident, she's sitting in it. It's uncomfortable, and she will be discouraged. I would set my alarm to let her out a few times during the night. Again, always keep the area's that have been messed in super clean. If you dont catch her in the act of an accident, remove her from the area calmly and clean it up immediately without fuss or ado. If you catch her in the act, discipline her, if she goes where she's supposed to praise her.

It sounds simple, and it works - just takes tons of patience and consistency.

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posted June 30, 2004 05:20 PM      Profile for Karen         
I guess I have to break down and crate them. I hate to do it .
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posted June 30, 2004 05:41 PM      Profile for Elite         
Crate training is a wonderful thing, IMO. M olderdog never needed it, but my little girl, Molly, has been crate trained since we got her. IWe accidentally taught her with the pads, as well, so we had to retrain her using her crate. If we left her in there too long when she was a puppy, she'd have to go to the bathroom in there, which was horrible and she certainly didn't like her (and we sure learned our lesson on how long we could keep her in there). Then, whenever we couldn't be watching her to make sure she went outside, she was in her crate (don't worry about them not liking it...my girl goes in it wheneve she needs a nap). Or she'd be outside. So she wouldn't pee in her crate, and everytime she looked like she was about to pee we'd take her outside, and we'd also take her outisde whenever we took her out of her crate. She's only made one mistake, since, and that was when our cleaning lady left her out when she left. And that was a HUGE puddle...she must have really kept it in for a while.

But all in all, the crate training will really help. I hear that after a while, the dog won't need or want their crate anymore, but I know an adult american eskimo who is a little afraid of people coming into her house, so her cate is her safe spot, and where she sleeps or rests. It's really good for nervous dogs, or dogs in general. It's their little den. That one little place they can call their own, whre no other dogs can bother them, where no humans can bother them. The one thing to remember about crate training, though, is to not use it as punishment. You wan them to LIKE their crate [Smile]

Good luck!

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posted July 01, 2004 04:34 PM      Profile for Karen         
Thanks Elite...I feel better about this. Especially since you spoke about the nervous dog
when people come into the house that is Lucy to the T.
Should I keep just her in the crate when I am not home or both of them in separate or same crate. It may be as long as 9 hours they are not used to that. They are now allowed in the kitchen den and mud room (a hallway/entrance to the garage off the kitchen)when I am not home.

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posted July 05, 2004 02:43 PM      Profile for cruizer13         
I must have been lucky. Misty was potty trained in about 2 weeks and we got her when she was about 9 weeks old. She slept in the laundry room so if there were any accidents they were on tile floor and easily cleaned up. We just let her out when she could be watched and rushed outside when she looked like she did have to potty. Then followed nmber two up with a treat and lots of praise. Now we're working on the excitement pee thing. She doesn't do it in the house but goes everywhere and anywhere outside when someone shows up. Guess I should feel lucky about the "outside" thing though.
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posted July 05, 2004 05:17 PM      Profile for Karen         
Yes you are lucky....Lucy does the piddle thing when she sees company too. When I know someone is coming over I try to let her meet them outside whenever possible. I know this is a behavior that she really can't help.

[ July 05, 2004, 05:18 PM: Message edited by: Karen ]

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