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weimlover0816
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posted July 12, 2004 07:57 PM      Profile for weimlover0816         
I pm'd ellierat about this a while back, and since we are getting into some fun genetics talk, I thought I would share!! I came across this topic on a weim message board, what do you guys think about SILVER LABS!!!??? check out the link, search the net. There is a lot of info out there....

http://hosting.northernweb.net/silverlab/

what do you guys think? cross with a weim.... dilute chocolate??

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posted July 12, 2004 08:12 PM      Profile for DaxAriel's toy         
Are these like white shepards or white tigers? Recessive genes usually mean some other health problems. Such as sensitivity to sunlight, etc.

They look nice though.

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posted July 12, 2004 09:35 PM      Profile for BreeZy/sheltiepups   Author's Homepage         
They look really nice, and the web site looked and sounds really good too. I just learned about my breeds genetics and now you want me to learn about labs [Eek!] ??? lol just kidding [Big Grin] what did ellierat say btw?

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posted July 13, 2004 06:08 AM      Profile for GretaJack         
They just look like a variation of a chocolate to me. When I hear silver, I think of william wegman's weims. interesting information though
Posts: 195 | From: Wisconsin | Registered: Dec 2003
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posted July 13, 2004 01:21 PM      Profile for Elite         
They just look like lighter chocolates to me...certainly no reason to charge this much. They say they can trace the lnieage back to the wolves...I doubt that that is possible. And what's so wrong with the available lab colours we have already that we have to go and create a "silver" lab? None of the dogs in their pictures looked particularly special. I'd go for a chocolate over one of these any day. And their website, IMO, kinda sucked. They don't have links, pictures of all their dogs, galleries, or anything. Absoloutly not a page that would make me want a puppy. And all their putting down of other lab breeders..it was sick. They made it sound like every other lab breeder on the planet was a puppy mill and only cared about money.

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posted July 13, 2004 04:51 PM      Profile for lou3         
well to me half of them look like weim crosses and the other half look like plain old chocolate labs.
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posted July 13, 2004 05:36 PM      Profile for ellierat         
Plain old Chocolate Labs [Frown] .
This is definately getting very interesting, yes I did look at the pups a while back, my thoughts:
They are Chocolate, very pale chocolate.
If they are registered then the breeders could not have crossed with a Weim.
Our canine control only recognizes 3 colors.
Black, Yellow(not gold anymore), and Chocolate.
The yellow is the only color that can deviate in any way, that is deep gold through to almost white.
The color genetics in labs are so complex that to get the chocolate with the liver pigmentation, you could not mate a white yellow to a chocolate, you would end up with almost chocolate,yellows with liver pigmentation, not allowed in the standard.
That is golden coat with liver nose, mouth, pads etc.
So my opinion, A MONEY SPINNER.

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posted July 13, 2004 06:46 PM      Profile for pittiegurl   Author's Homepage         
I think it looks like a Lab w/some Weim in it. Maybe this is what Rosalynd & Wally's pups will look like. [Blushing] I guess that's a Labraweim [Blushing]

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lou3
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posted July 14, 2004 04:15 PM      Profile for lou3         
Didnt mean plain old chocolate lab to imply that chocs are boring! just that its a readily recognised colour and while not as common as black or yellow certainly not uncommon or anything out-of-the-ordinary-type-special. IMO its the quality of the dog that makes it special not some daft colouring [Wink] .
Lou

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ellierat
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posted July 14, 2004 04:20 PM      Profile for ellierat         
Your right there Lou, I can't understand that myself, hardly anyone likes blacks, but out of the three here, Ellie being black is the best dog I have ever owned, even my parents her the other day said she was better than any they had.
She trains easily, she is super quiet, very responsive, super well behaved.
I have often been asked about the temperaments of the Yellows, which I have acutually found to be quite boisterous, but still people here go mostly for chocolate (not as common here) and Yellows. Blacks fall short by a longshot.
And I knew you didn't mean anything personally about the chocolates. [Big Grin]

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lou3
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posted July 14, 2004 04:26 PM      Profile for lou3         
its yellows that are the least popular over here. Chocolates are most popular as pets and blacks are most popular as working dogs. No-one seems to like the yellows. Personally i find from a purely aestheical point of view that the blacks are the most pleasing.
Lou

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ellierat
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posted July 14, 2004 04:36 PM      Profile for ellierat         
They are darn hard to paint, one of the hardest things I could have chosen to put the paintbrush to. (not the actual dog LOL).
Yes I go for black first now, then chocolate, and Yellow I don't think I will go for again.
I love Sophie dearly, but she is still hyper, and been spayed too.
Have you any experience, I know you have a friend with Labs, what do you or her think about the colors and temperament within each.
Is it a fallacy or actual fact.

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Posts: 880 | From: australia | Registered: Feb 2004
lou3
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posted July 14, 2004 05:01 PM      Profile for lou3         
total fallacy i reckon. I think its more to do with the strains being bred for each colour. My friend breeds chocolates and blacks and her dogs all have the same beautiful temperament. They are quite laid back for labs and while they are "testing" puppies they do mature out quickly and make excellent versatile animals.
As she rarely gets a yellow (we did get three from a chocolate ***** once mated to a black dog carrying the yellow recessive gene) i dont really know - those three wouldnt be enough to comment on as far as her line goes (but so far they seem to conform true to type for her dogs).
I believe its in the hands of the breeder, if they breed an idiot hyper dog then they are going to get idiot hyper puppies. Possible that so far most lines that produce yellows just havent been bred for temperament as much as physical quality.
Lou

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ellierat
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posted July 14, 2004 05:36 PM      Profile for ellierat         
I posted but it was so long in the tooth I deleted. What I wanted to say was, over here the yellows are so popular that breeders are breeding just for that color and not worrying about the temperament. You can get extra $$$$$ for the color.

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Posts: 880 | From: australia | Registered: Feb 2004
lou3
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posted July 14, 2004 05:38 PM      Profile for lou3         
sounds about right - they do the same with chocolates over here.
Lou

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posted July 14, 2004 08:06 PM      Profile for weimlover0816         
They do that with EVERY color lab here in the US... that is the only reason I would not get a lab. It would be soooo hard to find a good, reputable breeder. Everything says "AKC" certified. My brother-in-law's friend's mother (lol...) breeds "golden labs" Not joking, that is what she calls them. REALLY!? see what i mean?!

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posted July 14, 2004 10:47 PM      Profile for Elite         
Around here, mainly I see yellow labs (many of them doing service work), and then chocolates (my fovaroites), and then blacks. Chocolates also seem to be the most common in shelters. I don't thinkI've ever actually seen a black lab here, except the one owned by my dog's obedience teacher...although I was attacked by one back in alaska when I was little. Both my pups are also black lab mixs, and I owned a yellow lab. Black dogs in general are the least likely dogs to be adopted in shelters, are they not? I saw a chocolate lab outside of the grocery store today and she was sooo sweet and sooo happy...I couldn't help but pet her and give her a little love. Makes me really miss having a lab.

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ellierat
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posted July 15, 2004 02:30 PM      Profile for ellierat         
I think there's always been the thing about a black dog, they look scary, probably why they don't get adopted, but it is only my opinion I have never been in shelters to know properly.
I know when people come here, they are not put off by Sophie, but when Ellie confronts them they step back. Really Ellie is the one not to worry about so much. Funny.

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